Comments on Living Spirituality: The ZigZag Café

Micha, What I was getting at is that the narrator ...

2009-07-18T17:10:57.861+02:00

Micha,
What I was getting at is that the narrator - the story teller - announces that Jesus switched to the S of man in order to show that he was wanting to bring new perceptions of messiah into the picture.

We now have more information as to what Jesus meant by both terms so we're in a different place that the disciples. But you make a valid point about outmoded language today. I would think that we want to try to re-invest these tems with contemporary meaning without losing the force they have had for centuries.

So Greg, do I grasp what you said: Did you say tha...

2009-07-18T15:14:16.334+02:00

So Greg, do I grasp what you said: Did you say that Jesus introduced (or switched to) Son of Man because of the wrong notions of the word Messiah?
If so, do we now need to introduce new terms for the messiah/son of man, because meanwhile those words have wrong notions, too?
I am asking because I am still struggeling with the problem of old scriptural language which was so related to those who lived 2000 years ago, but nowadays is so distinct to our language and context.

Renea, Thanks. Well, maybe too full in a certain s...

2009-07-18T08:56:16.367+02:00

Renea,
Thanks. Well, maybe too full in a certain sense. That is, it seems Peter was messiah making and this is why Jesus sends him back - get behind me - to the disciples as a follower and not one equal to the task of deciding who the messiah was.

Would it be fair to say Peter's proclimation/hope/...

2009-07-17T22:28:06.937+02:00

Would it be fair to say Peter's proclimation/hope/vision was more "not full" than "empty"?

Joshua, It seems that Jesus, as least in the narra...

2009-07-17T20:55:59.502+02:00

Joshua,
It seems that Jesus, as least in the narrator's eyes, doesn't want Peter's notion, as spokesman for the disciples, of messiah to go too far and therefore perhaps further ignite false messiah expectations. Son of man would have had greater ambiguity and given Jesus room to move and shape a new understanding of messiah.

As to resurrection check out 9:10.

There is also the irony of Peter rebuking his "Lor...

2009-07-17T20:07:25.545+02:00

There is also the irony of Peter rebuking his "Lord", which alludes to an impoverished reality to the Messiah's sovereignty.

The Messiah resurrected one. I don't really under...

2009-07-17T20:05:05.872+02:00

The Messiah resurrected one.

I don't really understand the signficance Mark attaches to the secrecy of Jesus' identity; however, it's tied it seems to afterwards him calling the multitude and proclaiming the paradox of following Jesus verses seeking life. That we are to proudly not focus on these things, but go to the cross (which I'm guessing Jesus believed was intended as a metaphor with a delayed revelation) where God, who along can save will bring to life.

As Peter would I'm guessing probably already of believed in the general resurrection, I'm not sure how he viewed the Messiah's relationship to it, or the significance of any error he would have, except that he had a false hope in the Messiah's mission.

Micha, Thanks. Well, elders, chief priests, and sc...

2009-07-17T07:39:47.462+02:00

Micha,
Thanks. Well, elders, chief priests, and scribes does at least imply the religious elite of the day.

I found the narrator mentioning 'not to tell anyone' right after the response of Peter and then reference to 'the Son of man' to be an intriguing way for Jesus to bring a desired ambiguity into the dialogue, which he later goes on to clarify.

I wonder why Peter would rebuke Jesus? After all, in 31 he said he will rise again.

I meant 31 to 33

2009-07-16T22:44:08.936+02:00

I meant 31 to 33

8,32 shows that he doesnt implicate suffering but ...

2009-07-16T22:38:41.085+02:00

8,32 shows that he doesnt implicate suffering but political power, I guess. Unfortunately this doesnt seem to be Gods plan to restore the earth

Joshua, Thanks. I agree. What would the implicatio...

2009-07-16T16:10:57.550+02:00

Joshua,
Thanks. I agree. What would the implications have been?

It's the right answer, but lack any kind of unders...

2009-07-16T15:48:58.048+02:00

It's the right answer, but lack any kind of understanding as to the implications of it. It's empty and hollow.