Thursday, June 17, 2010

The ZigZag Café

We will be convening here at the ZigZag café, Suisse, on Thursdays for conversation and dialogue. I invite you to stop by every Thursday for the question of the day. Your thoughts and participation are most welcome. Pull up a stool, avec un café, un thé, ou un chocolat chaud, et un croissant, and join in here on Thursday at the ZZ café.

For today:

Tom Wright states in After you Believe / Virtue Reborn, 2010, on p.78 in the latter:

“Humans are called, in and through Jesus Christ, to become what they were always made to be.”

What are your thoughts on his point of view?


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Joshua said...

Welp, if one interprets the last part purely creational standpoint, I'm not sure. What I mean by that is if say he is suggesting that we are called to be more fully human, then some of what it means to be Christian might be singularly unique to Christians, much like the Torah and circumcision was to the Israelites. In this case, less than and more. For instance the Christian neglect of aspects of justice pertaining to violence. More a troubling doubt to how that would be unpacked and developed.

If one interprets it though from a teleological standpoint, then it raises fewer problems.

Greg said...

Thanks. Wow! You're up late or early?

I think I share your caution. Would you see it as a problem if Christians had a singularly unique salvific destiny to be more fully human that might then work its way back from destiny to actuality? As you quite rightly suggest though, Christians seem to lack anticipative destiny, which translates into a lack of actual clout.

As you see, I'm trying to integrate your creational and teleological in a related and distinct manner.

carter said...

Not having read the book, I am not sure contextually where the writer is directing the reader. However, that being said, Romans 8, and in particular verses 28-29 indicates to me that we are to be conformed to the image of Christ. I think that does mean to be fully human. Romans 12 tells me that we get there by being transformed by the renewing of our minds. That tells me that it is not an easy task, but is a voluntary act of willfulness to redifine ourselves.

Greg said...

Thanks. Indeed. To image Christ is our destiny. Seems to me that it's therefore more than it originally was in the sense that Christ images God in a greater way than was ever possible for us to do on our own.

Renewing of our minds is a crucial part of this and Wright highlights it over and over in the book. And that renewing is to have a practical impact in the present.

Joshua said...

Up really late.

I wouldn't have a problem, and am grateful for Wright's emphasis on eschatology duality.