Thursday, February 11, 2010

The ZigZag Café

We will be convening here at the ZigZag café, Suisse, on Thursdays for conversation and dialogue. I invite you to stop by every Thursday for the question of the day. Your thoughts and participation are most welcome. Pull up a stool, avec un café, un thé, ou un chocolat chaud, et un croissant, and join in here on Thursday at the ZZ café.

For today:

There may be many, but if you had to formulate one major specific problem that alienates us from God, what would it be?


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Angela said...

Disbelief that he wants to be that closely
connected to our lives.

Anonymous said...

His silence. I was talking with a friend the other night about spiritual journeys, and how we are often more religious ealier in our lives and then we encountered scientific thought or we asked questions such as his: why do the innocent suffer? then my friend said, all i need is a miracle to move me in the direction of God again... i did not know what to say. my thought about this miracle: he does not know what he is asking for...

Greg said...

Thanks. What might this disbelief be related to?

Greg said...

Thanks. True, sometimes we are more naive early on, but then what happen after this is shattered is that we can move into a critical mode that tends to become an end in and of itself. Yet, beyond wilderness of criticism we long to be called again. But in receiving this call it's now all changed in that there is no return to the previous state of being naive, nor of being entrenched in criticism. Moving through to a critical faith is a new venture on the journey, and once headed in this direction we can therefore deal with science, theology, and some of the troubling questions that arise in a world like ours.

reneamac said...

Us. Namely our arrogance and our unholiness: our evil-bent minds and evil-bent hearts.

I do believe we also have a bent towards God, and perhaps moreso as children as Anonymous suggests (although children also clearly exhibit a bent away from God (toward themselves)). However, regardless of our underlying longings for the way we know it ought to be and the only One who can make it so, our desire against the Way is what alienates us from him.

We are (become) arrogant in our minds of our progress--our technology, our philosophy, our science--and we declare, "We don't need God. We are god." We desire in our hearts the lusts of the flesh and we rebel (sometimes flat out, other times by reasoning our way around) saying, "No One is the boss of me! God doesn't know the Best Way. I make my own way."

It's the same old line we've been giving God since the Garden of Eden and the Tower of Babel. Even when Lucifer fell, he said it pretty much the same way.

Angela said...

The disbelief I mentioned could be related to
an innate fear of God, fear of Someone to be
accountable to, fear that we will lose our
control of our own way (as renea makes
reference to).

I really appreciate your quote in response to Anon:
"...beyond wilderness of criticism we long to be called again." Distance from God can be a seemingly easier route, but there is an emptiness there. After becoming more critical there is a
certain depth to being called again.

Perhaps it's idolatry in its many forms which
alienates us from God the most. Filling up with
everything else, besides the love and words of
God. I find myself doing this daily.

Greg said...

Thanks. Yes, well put. Being self centered selves and all that this entails alienates us from our maker and redeemer.

Greg said...

Good points. I think you're right about the idolatry problem in a culture saturated in images that leads us to believe that's all there is idolatry is pernicious temptation. Thankfully, there is forgiveness and new beginnings.

Rhett & Valerie said...

I agree with Renea. I think this state of things can be fairly summed up in the word "sin". Our own, and that of the human condition.


Greg said...

Thanks. Indeed, that's true.

Steve said...

The theological answer of course is sin, and especially that cardinal of cardinal sins; pride.

Personally though, it has been Calvinism, especially that modern very narrow deterministic system built on TULIP as opposed to the Bible or even the Institutes. (and how a truly regenerate person can think of themselves as better or more loved than the lost escapes my comprehension, but that is what I observe)

Greg said...

Thanks for the comment. I agree. with both the theological and the personal.